If your not into memberships or reoccurring revenue...

[PrimoQuest]

If you are just into making fast money and don't want to wait for it to trickle in, one idea is that you can sell your software as a business on eBay.

A few years ago, I used to build websites and sell them on eBay as "businesses in a box". My biggest dilemmas was that I was in constant search for products to put on these sites.

NOT ANYMORE!

Here's what you do...

Create a decent software product
Create a nice-looking mini-site
Fine-tune your copy
Throw some decent traffic to your site
Sell your website/business on eBay

Businesses like these can go for thousands of dollars, but the dirty little secret is you need to have some traffic coming in for it to become more valuable.

[TigerSoftware]

If you are just into making fast money and don't want to wait for it to trickle in, one idea is that you can sell your software as a business on eBay.

A few years ago, I used to build websites and sell them on eBay as "businesses in a box". My biggest dilemmas was that I was in constant search for products to put on these sites.

NOT ANYMORE!

Here's what you do...

Create a decent software product
Create a nice-looking mini-site
Fine-tune your copy
Throw some decent traffic to your site
Sell your website/business on eBay

Businesses like these can go for thousands of dollars, but the dirty little secret is you need to have some traffic coming in for it to become more valuable.


You can also create a memebrship site around private label software. You can export a software layout, give it to your customers and they can use the free Tiger Software Brander to add banners, change the layouts... basically create their own software that looks completely different.

I started a membership but had to cancel it because of script problems. I will be opening it again.

I do like the idea of flipping it as well. :)



Thomas

[E-Newbies]

Hi

As you may have noticed from my signature i am currently building e-commercenewbies.com. I had the same idea about viral software & branding, this was one of the motivating factors behind purchasing the software.

Just this weekend i changed one of my pages to incorporate free trials, if anyone would like to list their free trial or brandable product on my site please visit http://e-commercenewbies.com/store/free.php

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[marcus]

My cousin (also my business partner) and I have created 4 software/website/business packages and I can say these sell very well because EVERYTHING is done for the customer. It is a true turnkey experience... We were also able to charge more by proving in-house training...

The key is to really know the business (or hire someone who does - a consultant sort to speak) before you try to sell it as such. You can not just build a software, put up a site and sell it off... well, you could, however, it will sell for much much more if you really know the business and can answer ANY question immediately (or in our case, we had the consultant handle all the Q&A's)...

We recently sold a turnkey business (complete site and software - we also paid for and included professional video tutorials) for $32,000. I can not reveal too many details about the sale (verbal non-disclosure agreement), however, I can tell you it was in the real estate arena and by the time we did all the research, software building/tweaking, site creation, video tutorials and such... our total profit was $17,000. Not bad for 6 weeks of work...

Now, some people may see $17k as chump change, however, broken down that works out to $1400.00/wk for each of us, after paying the consultant and research fees... IF IF IF we could do that on a regular basis, that would be almost $74k annually, and that number will probably increase as time goes on and projects take us less time to complete...

Not bad for AMATUER software-creator "wannabe's" if you ask me...

We already have a request from another company which will far exceed that project, so again, it is VERY VERY possible to make SH-TLOADS of $$$ with a product such as TSB...

[TigerSoftware]

My cousin (also my business partner) and I have created 4 software/website/business packages and I can say these sell very well because EVERYTHING is done for the customer. It is a true turnkey experience... We were also able to charge more by proving in-house training...

The key is to really know the business (or hire someone who does - a consultant sort to speak) before you try to sell it as such. You can not just build a software, put up a site and sell it off... well, you could, however, it will sell for much much more if you really know the business and can answer ANY question immediately (or in our case, we had the consultant handle all the Q&A's)...

We recently sold a turnkey business (complete site and software - we also paid for and included professional video tutorials) for $32,000. I can not reveal too many details about the sale (verbal non-disclosure agreement), however, I can tell you it was in the real estate arena and by the time we did all the research, software building/tweaking, site creation, video tutorials and such... our total profit was $17,000. Not bad for 6 weeks of work...

Now, some people may see $17k as chump change, however, broken down that works out to $1400.00/wk for each of us, after paying the consultant and research fees... IF IF IF we could do that on a regular basis, that would be almost $74k annually, and that number will probably increase as time goes on and projects take us less time to complete...

Not bad for AMATUER software-creator "wannabe's" if you ask me...

We already have a request from another company which will far exceed that project, so again, it is VERY VERY possible to make SH-TLOADS of $$$ with a product such as TSB...

That is awesome Marcus. Great job. A lot of people dream of making that king of money online.

I wish more people saw the possibilities of this program like the rest of us. Sometimes it makes me just want to take this off the market when I have to exchange email after email with someone who is interested but doesn't know what to create with it.

I had one person email me like ten times asking me what he could create for this or that. I kept answering him with some ideas and I will get an email asking for more ideas. After about 10 emails I just told him that this isn't for him.


Thomas

[Dexx]

After about 10 emails I just told him that this isn't for him.


The reality is certain people really aren't meant to have this software Thomas, and as much as it'd be nice to walk people by the hand...sometimes they need to realize part of the work is on them.

It's like emailing Adobe asking what kind of image effects could Photoshop be used to do!

It's endless possibilities!

[TigerSoftware]

The reality is certain people really aren't meant to have this software Thomas, and as much as it'd be nice to walk people by the hand...sometimes they need to realize part of the work is on them.

It's like emailing Adobe asking what kind of image effects could Photoshop be used to do!

It's endless possibilities!

I agree. I always have a hard time answering the most common question people ask.

What type of software can I create with this? hehe

There are a lot of software developers that couldn't come up with an idea even though they have far better skills than I do. Personally, there isn't enough time in the day for all the ideas I get. :)



Thomas

[TinkBD]

I agree. I always have a hard time answering the most common question people ask.

What type of software can I create with this? hehe

Thomas

I think it is an issue of trying to reduce the complex down to the simple... sometimes it just isn't possible. I see this in some of my business groups... the reality is, some people will just never *Get it*

In the case of TSBpro , itis like looking at a piano and asking what kind of music can be composed with it...

I have a LOT of ideas right now that I have FINALLY begun work on, but I also recognize that at this point, I am limited by my familiarity with the software.

I can tell that I am limiting my thinking to the linear, but I also know that as I learn the software, my thinking will broaden and I'll see MANY more possibilities. In fact, I am looking forward to it. I love having that kind of AHA moment!

In any event, even with my linear thinking, I have plenty of opportunities to work on. :D

Tink

[TigerSoftware]

I think it is an issue of trying to reduce the complex down to the simple... sometimes it just isn't possible. I see this in some of my business groups... the reality is, some people will just never *Get it*

In the case of TSBpro , itis like looking at a piano and asking what kind of music can be composed with it...

I have a LOT of ideas right now that I have FINALLY begun work on, but I also recognize that at this point, I am limited by my familiarity with the software.

I can tell that I am limiting my thinking to the linear, but I also know that as I learn the software, my thinking will broaden and I'll see MANY more possibilities. In fact, I am looking forward to it. I love having that kind of AHA moment!

In any event, even with my linear thinking, I have plenty of opportunities to work on. :D

Tink

I definitely agree Tink. This has been a tough project to make it as simple as possible and will still be too complex for a lot of people. I am taking this type of technology and going after a bigger market. I am sure you have heard of FileMaker and Act!. I am going into those markets with this technology (without the exe builder aspect).

I was worried about it being too difficult but compared to the other software programs, it isn't so bad.

Luckily that market understands what it wants already. I don't have to teach them what they can do with it since they already know what they want.

The company that owns Act! made over 120 million last year and FileMaker was over 70 million. I only need a slice of that to be happy. :D



Thomas

[ppennington32]

Its funny how different people are. I'm on the exact opposite side of the spectrum. I have a million ideas of what I want to build. I struggle with making a final decision on what to build and what tactic tio use to market it.

Marcus did you use Tiger pro for your software creation?

Pat

[Dexx]

Once I can wrap my head around using charts I think I'll be truly skyrocketing with ideas, for now I just stick to the basics of just using editors! (Havent even added a scheduler into a project yet!)


I want to create a membership site, however I just don't know if:

A) I have the creative skills to create a new software project every month with quality worth paying a monthly membership for

and

B) If I want to put that kind of demand on myself to constantly keep working vs creating a software and letting the marketing take care of repetitive sales

[jonathon]

Hey Dexx, if you spent less time in these forums, you would have plenty of time to do it all, heheh, JK of course, but seriously...

I am not sure how many applications you have created, but I have had TSB for just a few months now and for what it's worth, it DOES get ALOT easier to build apps once you have created a few and figured enough things out... hell, I have 17 apps done already and another 28 started or on my to-do list, but a slew more of high demand ideas...

After seeing your posts here and on the WF, I have no doubt that you have the creativity needed, besides, if you start a membership, YOU will not have to come up with ideas... you let your members come up with the ideas for you...

Trust me, they will have a slew of ideas for you, more than you will be able to handle I'm sure...

I started a membership a few days ago (in pre-launch actualy) and I already have 16 suggestions (thats more than a years worth), plus, for months which it takes less time to complete an app, you release 2 and your members will love ya...

Plus, if your members are the ones suggesting the ideas, you can't lose as you know it will be something they want

Just my 2¢ (i expect change though)... ;)

Remember, just because you call it a new product does not mean the concept has to be new... I am constantly finding other software apps which lack 1 or 2 essential components... I simply create a simalar application, add the much needed fields and presto - a BETTER product (which is sometimes in more demand than NEW product ideas)...

Also, regarding your scheduler comment - it is JUST AS SIMPLE as anything else in TSB. If you want/need assistance, just let me know...

[Dexx]

Thanks J :)

Your right actually, I actually CAN create the products, it's more of the support and help files that has me being lazy haha :P

I played with the scheduler in the tasks portion of the software and its not that I find it complicated to use to speak, but it's more of figuring out interesting ways to implement it into a software program to add value that I'm having trouble with.

Like the additional the of the relational databases feature was like pure gold, now if I could figure out uses for the scheduler I'd be good to go.

I think Thomas mentioned before there's a way to do like...if I wanted to make a "diet plan management" software, the users could enter the food they ate during the day etc.

and somehow I could tie that into the scheduler somehow, but not sure how...


I might create a membership site eventually, I was thinking last night of creating PLR software and selling it in WF for $97 for max 10 copies.

But then I figured I could make more selling them myself or using them to promote an affiliate program

[jonathon]

Your right actually, I actually CAN create the products, it's more of the support and help files that has me being lazy haha :PYou and I are soooo on the same page here. I have over a dozen software completed, just haven't gotten the energy or momentum to complete the help files... so I know exactly how you feel... I played with the scheduler in the tasks portion of the software and its not that I find it complicated to use to speak, but it's more of figuring out interesting ways to implement it into a software program to add value that I'm having trouble with.

Like the additional the of the relational databases feature was like pure gold, now if I could figure out uses for the scheduler I'd be good to go.

I think Thomas mentioned before there's a way to do like...if I wanted to make a "diet plan management" software, the users could enter the food they ate during the day etc.

and somehow I could tie that into the scheduler somehow, but not sure how...One example would be with your PLR Manager program (I think it was you)... I recently created (well, recreated, I started one months ago when TSB Express was THE only option - thank God for this Pro version).... anyways, I have a Reseller Assets Manager program which is on the same line as your PLR Manager software and what I did was added a section titled "Pre-Launch Reminders".... I am always getting tons of emails saying stuff like "watch out for this" and "keep an eye out for that" and I am tired of rummaging through my email box looking for which one was launching today and which one would launch next week and so on...

Now, all someone has to do is open my software, click on the "Launch Scheduler" icon and they are presented with the scheduler to help them remember things and know exactly what is being launched when... just an idea...

Another way I use the scheduler is in my Domain Manager software... I am sure you can figure out how I tied a scheduler in together with a domain management software...

I am also in the process of creating a time management program to help people keep track of their busy schedules. I will tie this in with a PLR eBook I recently purchased geared towards "time management"... I might create a membership site eventually, I was thinking last night of creating PLR software and selling it in WF for $97 for max 10 copies. But then I figured I could make more selling them myself or using them to promote an affiliate programWhy not have the best of both worlds... With the number of ideas you could come up with, set aside 2 or 3 a month for JUST WSO's...

OR, contact the "big names" personally and try to do some sort of JV with them... (RAP works great for JVing).... Heck, another great thing about using RAP is that instead of offering resale rights, offer 100% commissions... Your promoters make all the $$$ while you build your list... or as I said, get some JVs going. Offer 50 - 75% commissions for your JV partners so you still make some cash from sales...

Do not let the "big names" scare you either. Alot of people ASS-U-ME that they are too busy to deal with "small folks" but quite the contrary - that is EXACTLY why they need someone like you or me... they are sometimes TOO busy... For example, nothing against this guy or his software, but did you see the latest SCGM offer? He has some type of contact manager in the latest set of products and quite honestly, I think he could have done a lot better with it. Hell, I KNOW TSB can create a better one...

Had I known he would be releasing something of that nature, I would have contacted him personally and asked if he would be interested in releasing MY contact manager (yes with PLR, but within the PLR license, it would have listed MY NAME as support for the product, so my name still would have been thrown around quite a bit, you know)...

OK, well, I am done ranting, but before I go, I wanted to give you one more idea for your support "issues" ( a.k.a. LAZINESS ;) ) - what I find easiest is to treat each section of the software as if I were doing a review on it... I try to think of ANY questions my customers may ask, no matter how minute it may seem... I then attack it in sections and before you know it, the help file is done... (now if I could just take my own advice, heheh)

To allow me to get my products to a "finished" stage (including help documentation) what I am also doing is creating a forum for my software site, one section for each product. Making a "sticky" sub-section which will list my own list of "FAQ", another sub-section for support questions, another for pre-sales questions and another for feedback and suggestions... I am then creating a "browser window" within the software so users will always have access to the forum for any questions I didn't cover in my actual readme (which are just short 'getting started' tutorials... [click here, do this, enter that, save]...) more so than an extensive manual... Once I have a better idea of what types of questions will continuously be asked, I will then go ahead and start making video tutorials for those types of questions which will enable me to have a VERY EXTENSIVE collection of video help tutorials... giving my business an even bigger "professional" look and appeal...

One more way would be to start a group of beta-testers who will receive free copies of your software in exchange for a minimum of 10/15/20/??? REAL, UNIQUE questions... if you feel a "beta tester" is not pulling his/her weight, you simply remove them from your program... I recently added this to my site and what I do is offer a 5 usage trial... the beta-tester doesn't receive the registration code until s/he has submitted the questions as per the "Beta Tester Agreement"

I am also in the process of creating a "product review" based system for each 'product page' which will be used by customers to ask questions (rather than post a comments)...

The system will be set up so that all questions are entered into a queue and will not be visible until I have answered the question. This will keep the "QNA" section to just QnAs. If someone simply tries to post a "comment" just for the same of getting a free backlink, it's not gonna work ;) This will be another way for me to constantly update the help files for future buyers...

Well, I have taken way too long on this post already, so I really have to get going, heheh...

[Dexx]

Oooo great reply Jonathon!

Great feedback and advice, all is appreciated :)

I've done something similar now to deal with the help area of my laziness...

I created a wordpress blog site that uses http://faq-tastic.com/faqtastic-lite-free/

Then I have the help browser within the software, and customers can ask a question to which I reply and it is listed for all future users to also see.

I can answer with videos, html etc.

I then create a FAQ page for each product, and let the customers decide what they have questions about...

I figure once a common trend exists then I'll make sure each help file in the future contains at least that basic information. :)

[jonathon]

I figure once a common trend exists then I'll make sure each help file in the future contains at least that basic information. :)exactly!!! 2:30 AM here and I need to be up at 5 so I am hitting the sack... just have to jot down a few more ideas i just had ;) TTYL

[TigerSoftware]

You guys are definitely software developers if you hate or having a hard time finishing up documentation.

It brings a tear to my eye. Welcome to the fraternity. :D



Thomas

[jonathon]

We're only following the masters lead ;)

[ppennington32]

Guys, I agree with you completely. I write help files, tutorials, white papers all day to support my guys at work. It's hard work.

I find its best to write in a step by step fashion.

1. Click button
2. Window opens
3. Enter name
4. Enter Date
5. Etc, Etc

The trick is to use a program like Snag-It and add lots of screenshots. A picture is worth a thousand words.

I think a membersite is a great idea, I would be willing to produce the help files if anyone wants to strike up a partnership.

Pat

[jonathon]

Guys, I agree with you completely. I write help files, tutorials, white papers all day to support my guys at work. It's hard work.

I find its best to write in a step by step fashion.

1. Click button
2. Window opens
3. Enter name
4. Enter Date
5. Etc, Etc

The trick is to use a program like Snag-It and add lots of screenshots. A picture is worth a thousand words.

I think a membersite is a great idea, I would be willing to produce the help files if anyone wants to strike up a partnership.

PatHey Pat, shoot me a PM. Perhaps we could discus this further. Thanks.